Is it possible that they did investigate, and found that drones are making miners unneeded? I know this is a nerf to drone shooters, but it should be a much needed buff to miners.

One man's nerf is another man's buff. This is a good thing for the mining profession.

I wonder why I didn't see drone region guys crying for the poor miners who were getting screwed by them before today........

Im sorry, was afk and missed the tears, could you do it again please?

The truth is, people in the drone regions have been getting away with murder for years with those 10-15 minute hordes, to the detriment of miners who should be the primary source of minerals in the game. What you are doing is the same kind of crying the mission runners did when ccp turned off the unholy mineral faucet in lvl 4 missions (which also hurt the mining profession).

. CCP has known it was a problem for a long time and they are finally fixing it. Sorry your gravy train came to an end, but such is eve. You can always take up mining, or move to a real region lol.

So your argument is that you have a personal attachment to the space because of the time and effort you have invested in it? Should CCP intervene if someone decides to attempt to take your space from you in game?

If you want better space, go take it.

Did I say anything about bounties?

I have no problem with people shooting drones to somehow generate isk, although I personally prefer my NPCs be of the pirate persuasion (Death To Guristas and all that).

The problem was they WAY they generated isk (not for me, but for miners, and by extension, for the rest of the game). CCP seems to be trying to fix that, and that's fine with me.

Actually, I think drones should drop alloys. Minerals should come from ore only. Drones should drop tags like Sleepers do that need to be resold in empire (this is actually a buff IMO, as it means less trucking around alloys).

I also think all regular rats (non commander/officer) should only result in metal scraps for salvage. Salvage should solely come from mag sites (yay buff to mag sites).

If something has been changed to make hoards worse then I would say the complaint is legit, though it has not been explained exactly what has changed.

For one, if the stuff comes in waves, is that a change? If the drones target everything in mission area, then hold back the noctois.

If you are multiboxing wait for the area to be cleared before puting in notis, while that char is salvaging the stuff in the thousands of M3 your other char can clear a new site

if not multiboxing, well you have to clear the area anyway before reshiping, no salvaging is not safe in industirals with any rats present.

If you are using a maurader does a all in one ship work, or do the presence of rats now prevent tractoring and cycling the salvager.


If whatever change is a problem, clearly state how it is a problem.

Sound thinking, but we may never know CCP's motivation for doing something like this.

Like I said, I'm more inclined to believe CCP's aim is more along the lines of fixing an old and pre-existing problem (the sheer amount of materials coming from drone regions, which affects markets AND a whole 'nother profession), just like they did when they nerfed loot drops from missions.

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The people who have been spoiled by the old ways are complaining about it rather than trying to find ways to adapt. I don't fell sorry for them, the whole "shoot structure, get aggro, bring in noctis to salvage in complete safety" method was unfair to those of us who were NOT in drone regions. You know, us guys who have to kill the WHOLE sanctum to finish it lol.

Some of my drone region buddies are doing the same complaining, to which I said "can't you just put capital remote reps on your carrier and perma rep your noctis so it can survice the spawns?". They were all like "oh yea" lol.

Sorry drone regions require actual effort now, but thats EVE :) .

Well if the mighty DMC says so, then obviously this is the case.

I'm considering putting bounties on them and turning them into normal rats.

I hate gunmining with a passion.

If you weren't terrible you could make ~300mil per hour running drone hordes with smart bombing carriers till they nerfed that.

Drone hordes always completed? No....everyone who lives there with a brain knows to just kill the bs, warp out and go next site. Warp in rorq/noctis a couple mins after to the last site when it has despawned.

Your last post said drone regions where always worse than normal npc space, I was just saying you were wrong. Up until Incursion (Nov '10) you could make easily x3-4 as much as people running anomalies in non-drone space.

When I did c5-6 wh we used to bring tanked proteus fit for tractor and salvager into the site so we can start clearing wrecks and collect loot instead of spending another 15-20mins doing it after the site is cleared. You can do the same in your drone anomaly :D

Why the personal attacks bro?

PS: If I disagree with you its a troll, amirite?